The Sports Trader

Tuesday 9th January 2007 Update

Thanks for all the messages I have received over the last few days. It's very good to know that people care. On that subject Brian the author of Life of Brian could do with some support just now.

Yesterday's trading was very light for me. I traded on 8 races and did not have a losing trade. My first 5 trades were all very small profitable ones and my first significant trade was in the 13:35 at Sedgefield. I backed Terlan for £101 @ 2.90 and laid off £100 @ 2.70 to leave me with a profit of £22.

In the 14:20 at Southwell I backed Tiegs for £1000 @ 1.10 just as she regained the lead about 5 yards form the finishing line to give me a £100 profit.

My final final trade on the day was in the 15:35 at Sedgefield and here I backed Cloudmor for £200 @ 1.05, whilst well in the lead and on the run in to result in a profit of £10. So my day was over with a final result of a £137 profit.

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Tuesday 9th January 2007

Hi guys, I am sorry but I will have to update this blog in the morning. Amie has now got her spots but feels better. Now Zoe my 6 year old is feeling rough and I can't find the words to say how I am feeling. It looks like I have had a lucky escape as I was intending to trade on the Liverpool v Arsenal match tonight, but as soon as I put the twins to bed at 7, Zoe asked me if I would lay on the sofa and watch Emmerdale with her. I fell asleep within seconds and woke to Andy Gray shouting about Dudek's goal keeping and, when my eyes got into focus, saw the score was 4 -1. I hope not too many of you were caught out as I surely would have been. I am up on the day but traded very few races.

Monday 8th January 2007

I’m not well, I’m tired, I‘ve got an ill daughter, my blog host is offline at the moment and I have lost money after being up on the day until the last few minutes of tonight’s football match.

My youngest daughter fell ill on Sunday afternoon. Nothing too serious but she was running a high temperature and was losing her balance. So I picked her up, along with my other two youngest kids from their mother’s and gave her Calpol and Nurofen and put her to bed. She woke at 11.00pm screaming and delirious and very hot again. She sat cuddled up on my lap as I wrote last night’s blog, then we went to bed. All was fine until 2.00am this morning and she woke up again and needed more cuddles. She fell asleep in my arms and in my bed. At 5.00 am she woke again and that was that, no more sleep, hence the reason I am knackered. She is a little better tonight and I will take her to the doctors in the morning if she hasn’t improved. I think it is a viral infection and could be the start of chicken pox like her twin had last week. Now I can’t stop shivering and just feel terrible.

My trading has been much interrupted today and in hindsight I should have taken the day off, but I hate days off. My first trade was in the 13:00 at Ludlow where I baked Remember Ramon for £104 @ 2.60 whilst he was vying for the lead at about two thirds distance and I might add whilst I was on the telephone –this should not be done. Soon after I had placed the back I knew I had blown my stake and because I was still on the phone didn’t even attempt to trade out in case I made the situation worse. I then had two small, but profitable trades, before the 13:50 at Taunton and here I backed Marcel for £1067 @ 1.02 whilst about a yard from the line and a good neck in front to salvage £21.

My next race was the 14:30 at Ludlow where I backed Wiscalitus for £20 @ 1.98 and laid back @ 1.50 all within a few yards at the 3 from home. This resulted in a profit of £10. Again at Ludlow and in the 15:30 I backed Gunship for £11 @ 2.4 and laid back @ 1.60. Then I laid Peveril Pride for £20 @ 8.20 to net me a further £18 profit. My last race of the day was the 16:40 at Wolverhampton where I backed the brilliant Kilimandcharo for £134 @ 1.15 and again for £17 @ 1.02 to give me a £20 profit. So my total result for the UK horse race trading today was a loss of £32.

Tonight’s football match had all the hallmarks of a high scoring match according to SoccerSTATS.com. Milton Keynes are the top scoring club in the English second division and Lincoln City are the second top goal scorers in the league. I looked at the state of the pitch and thought to myself that it would be a scrappy game which often results in not too many goals so I ploughed into the under 2.5 goals with £200 @ 1.97 and before I had even thought about laying off MK Dons scored.

I was a little hesitant to get too heavily involved so I didn’t go in with another £200 instead I backed the unders for £18 @ 3.27. As the game progressed I saw an opportunity to back again for £370 @ 2.61 and immediately put up lays from 2.51 down to 2.22. By the 42 minute I had got rid of my liability and was holding a potential profit on the unders of £116. Then I started baking the unders and laying off in quick succession to try and build my profit. By now I had £50 on both sides and again in hindsight I should have called it a night but I didn’t. I had one more back on the unders and within 20 seconds the third goal went in and left me with a loss of £26. I did look at backing the correct score and under 3.5 goals but just did not see tempting enough prices an d bearing in mind the day I was having called it quits. So I ended a miserable day all round with a total loss of £58. Who would care to join in a hot toddy? I think that will cure everything for me tonight.

Sunday 7th January 2007

The Sports Trader had a slow start again, but as yesterday, things got better as the day went on.

My first two races where both profitable but very small. So my first significant race was the 13:10 at Plumpton. I backed Phar Bleu for £64 @ 1.30 just as Alph blundered, whilst duelling for the lead at the last fence, to leave Phar Bleu well in the lead and net me a £19 profit.

In the 13:40 at Plumpton I had backed Thirty Five Black for £50 @ 2.40 and put up a lay @ 2.20. but only got matched for £4 as he soon began to weaken and I was left with a loss of £45. My next three races netted me a £3 profit.

Next was the 14:10 at Plumpton and here I backed Pass Me By for £73 @ 1.40 and a further £116 @ 1.02 whilst on the run in and fending off the ungainly Zimbabwe to give me a profit of £32. Now to the 14:40 also at Plumpton where I had backed Dance With Wolves, when in the lead and with three hurdles to jump, for £202 @ 2.20. I later started laying off, as he was headed and came under pressure with two hurdles to go, for £189 @ 2.01, and £10 @ 2.10 to leave me with a profit of £37 when he eventually rallied on the run in.

My next race was at Naas where I backed Pennyforurthoughts for £50 @ 2.50 when in the lead and in the final two furlongs to give me a profit of £75. In the 15:10 at Plumpton I backed The Hardy Boy on the run in three times for £400 @ 1.25, £90 @ 1.05 and £73 @ 1.03 to give me another profit of £105.

I had two more small profitable trades before the end of the racing day and finished my racing with a profit of £236.

After the racing I tuned in to see the Cardiff v Spurs  FA Cup match. It was approaching half time, with in fact just 20 seconds of the injury time to be played, and the score was still at 0 - 0 when I noticed £332 @ 1.01 just begging to be matched on the Half-Time 0-0 correct score market, so I took it to make £3 profit.

I missed the second half of the Cardiff v Spurs match as I had to go and pick my children up from their mothers house. When I got back and had the children safely tucked up in bed I started to study the Spanish football matches.  I had missed all the first half and the first 15 minutes of the second half of the Deportivo La Coruna v Real Madrid match. I just watched the game for a while before deciding to back the under 2.5 goals market for £14 @ 3.50. I laid this back @ 2.94. With 23 minutes left in the match I thought the unders price was too high @ 2.29 so I backed them for £221. I laid this all off at prices form 2.15 down to 2.04. Then later with only 10 minutes left the price was @ 1.50 so I backed this for £43 and then a further back for £157 @ 1.43. The price started to drop very quickly and I laid off £168 @ 1.21 and then greened up for £84 @ 1.15 to leave me with a profit of £73 what ever the result.

My final trade for the day was in the Villarreal v Valencia match where I was expecting a few goals. I thought the odds on offer for under 2.5 goals at the start of the game where too low and decided just to watch for a while. I ended up watching nearly all the game before I saw an opportunity to make some profit. With only 6 minutes to go and the score at 0 -1, I backed the under 2.5 goals for £680 @ 1.03. I did put up a lay @ 1.01 but cancelled soon after as the game drew to a close and I ended up with a £21 profit. So I finished my football trading tonight with a profit of £98 and a total profit for the day of £333. This weekend has been better than my last few weekends and has resulted in a profit for the week of £2261 and all this with a commission charge of just £19.42 for the week, thank you Betdaq.

Saturday 6th January 2007

I had a solid day of Sports Trading after a very slow start. It looked like being a similar day to yesterday where I found trading difficult. However things turned around towards the end of the horse racing and I have managed to produce some good figures.

My first race of the day was the 12:40 at Haydock. I started with a back on Corlande for £55 @ 3.80 with about a third of the race to go. I laid back £55 @ 3.00 a furlong or so later. Towards the end of the race I laid Notanotherdonkey for £17 @ 4.00 and this resulted in a profit of £17 on the race. I then had two, small but profitable trades.

Next for me was the 13:10 at Haydock, and here I had started with a lay on the odds on favourite and eventual winner, Scarvagh Diamond of £10 @ 1.68. With two fences to go it was apparent that she would win so I then backed her for £200 @ 1.10 to result in a profit on the race of £13. I made a real mess of the next, the 13:45 at Haydock, where I started with a back of £30 @ 3.00 on Harmony Brig and then quickly laid off at 2.78. Then I laid Dictum for £50 @ 3.00 just before he started to improve through the field and backed him for £50 @ 1.01 just before the line to leave me with a loss of £99.

My next race was the 14:05 at Sandown and here I backed Bohemian Spirit for £16 @ 2.51 and laid back @ 1.40, to leave me with a profit of £18. In the next three races I had a mixture of small profits and losses totalling a loss of £13. The next race for me was the 14:50 at Haydock where I had a total of 9 trades and ended up with a profit of £28.

The 15:05 at Lingfield was to be the highlight of my day. Sri Diamond had been held up last by Jamie Spencer in this 12 furlong race. At about two furlongs out Jamie said go and  Sri quickly got in to second position with a furlong to go. Just as he challenged for the lead I backed him for £1422 @ 1.50 and he went on to score by a half length to net me an impressive £711 on the race.

In the next at Sandown, the 15:10, I backed Papini for £71 @ 1.80 whilst challenging for the lead. He went on to win and give me a further £57 profit. I had another five small but profitable trades in the remaining races to give me £20 more profit. So I had finished my racing day with a profit of £759 and not a penny paid in commission to Betdaq as all my trading had been in-running.

Now to the football where I had really wanted to watch the Liverpool v Arsenal cup game but due to having to make the evening meal had to miss a lot of it. I kept nipping through from the kitchen into my office to catch the odd few minutes. On one such occasion with 58 minutes on the clock and the score at 1 - 1, I saw a chunky £377 @ 3.33 offered on the under 2.5 goals market. I  took the lot and then immediately put up a lay for 177 @ 3.05 and then further lays @ 2.79, 2.76, 2.72 and 2.55. These had all been taken with 66 minutes on the clock and had left me with no liability and a profit on the unders of £140. I then decided to gradually green up and laid a further £25 @ 2.30 and £25 @ 2.28 when the third goal was scored. OK I should have greened up a bit quicker but was happy with my £50 for less than 10 minutes work.  In injury time I also backed the 3 - 1 score line for £24 @ 1.10 to give me an extra £2 and leave me with a £52 profit on the match.

It was also the start of Spanish Football after a near three week break. Tonights live match was the Real Zaragoza v Sevilla game which looked like being a high scoring game. After having a good day to date the last thing I wanted to do was spoil it so I initially decided not to trade the match. However with 10 minutes on the clock and the under 2.5 goal price virtually unmoved since pre kick off I decided to back the unders for £100 @ 1.93. I laid back £50 @ 1.80 and a further £25 @ 2.61. Then the first goal was scored and I backed the unders for £25 @ 2.61. The game was settling down a little now from the early frantic pace and I backed the unders for a further £182 @ 2.31. I began laying off @ 2.16 all the way down to 1.77, when the second goal came whist I still had a liability of £50. Again I backed the under 2.5 goals for £113 @ 3.53. I proceeded to lay at 3.10 and again at 3.00 for my full liability. I then greened-up for £25 @ 2.70 just before the third goal was scored. So here is an example of winning money on the under 2.5 goal market even if 3 goals or more are scored.

I then looked at the under 3.5 goal market and with 12 minutes left on the clock I backed the unders for £5 @ 2.20 before laying off @ 1.29, to leave a profit of £4. I also backed the 2 - 1 score line for £164 @ 1.18 just before injury time started and laid off @ 1.07 two minutes later to give me another £18 profit. In total I made £48 profit on the match. This gave me a profit for the day of £859.

Friday 5th January 2007

After such a good day yesterday I was due a poor day and that is what I got. It's been a day of very little horse race trading,  I only traded in 8 races. I have no excuses, I just could not get things right although I only had one losing race and in that I only lost 19p.

My day started with the 12:40 at Musselburgh and this race along with my next two races where all profitable but  I only made a total £1. My next race was the 14:00 at Newcastle. I started with a back on Regal Heights of £25 @ 1.80, which I laid back @ 1.60. Then a further back of £13 @ 1.65 and a lay of 14 @ 1.25 to net me a total profit on the race of £10.

I had three more trades which where all very small and resulted in a combined profit of £1. And that was that, a very quite day of UK horse racing which resulted in a profit of £22.

Tonight's live football match was the game between Yeovil and Huddersfield. I did my usual analysis of this match with the aid of SoccerStats.com. My conclusion was that this would be a low scoring game. I tried to get on pre kick off at 1.78 and luckily did not get matched. I therefore watched the game for a few minutes, still wanting to get involved. I put a back up just before the first goal was scored and had not been matched. Once the market was reformed I backed the unders for £159 @ 2.56. I had just got matched for £10 @ 2.30 when the second goal was scored. At this stage it was looking like a goal feast could be on the cards so I was more than a little worried about getting too involved. I ended up backing the unders for a further £10 at 5.25. So when the third goal went in I was standing with a liability of £160. I watched the game for a while before getting involved in the under 3.5 goal market for £42 @ 4.30 and had put up a lay at 3.20, which did not get matched before the fourth goal was scored. So I now had a liability of £202.

I watched the game for a while before deciding to trade the correct score market to recover some of my losses. I ended up backing the 3 - 1 score for £256 @ 1.69 with 14 minutes left on the clock. I started to lay off @ 1.41 for £56, then 1.31 for £50, 1.21 for £50 and 1.13 for £100. In the 89th minute I backed the 3 - 1 score for a further £259 @ 1.12 and put a lay up for £259 @ 1.02, which I cancelled just before the final whistle which resulted in a profit of £146 on the correct score market. I therefore made a loss of £56 on the game tonight and this resulted in a loss on the days trading of £34.

If you believe this mornings newspapers and the state of the markets, I have blown my money on the next Rangers manager market. I have now laid Walter Smith for £400 and am still not convinced that he will take the manager's position but would not rule him out of the position of Director of football. I will watch with interest over the next couple of days.

When I started writing this blog about 8 weeks ago there were only a handful of blogs on the go, some of which I would read everyday to get an insight of the way other people traded the markets. Now there are in excess of 40 blogs related to Sports Trading. The latest one that I found is Punt.com -  a Blog about Gambling, by a Professional. This is written by Matt, who has been trading since the start of the exchanges, six and a half years ago. His speciality is tennis, which is an area I intend to look at more closely this year as I know some people make a lot of money on this sport. The other thing I notice about the writers of these blogs is that we all trade in different ways, which is good and only goes to enforce my belief that there are virtually limitless ways of making money trading the exchanges.

Thursday 4th January 2007

Today was the first day of this New Year that I have been able to concentrate fully on my job of Sports Trading. No parties, no visitors, sky fully working, my twins at nursery school, Au pair back at work to look after Zoe, and a reasonable afternoon of racing.

I ended up trading in 13 races and started with the 12:40 at Fontwell where I had a very small profitable trade on the favourite and winner Benetwood. My next race was the 12:55 at Thurles and here I had a big lay on Lace your Boots of £523 @ 4.50 when making the second of his three mistakes over the fences. I then backed him for £100 @ 5.50, £100 @ 5.40, £75 @ 5.03 and a further £52 @ 4.10, before he made his final mistake an unseated his jockey, to leave me with a very good profit of £195.

I then had a small, profitable trade in the 13:00 at Lingfield before my only losing trade of the day at Thurles in the 13:25 where I had backed Our Ben for £45 @ 1.20, when well in the lead, and just before the final fence, when he fell and cost me my £45.

In the 13:30 at Lingfield I laid Climate Change for £50 @ 3.40 when weakening out of contention between the last two hurdles to give me a profit of £50. I then had another five small winning trades.

Next up was the 15:40 at Fontwell where I laid the favourite, Owlesbury Dream for £387 at about a furlong out when being caught by the eventual, and easy, winner Princess Flame to give me another very good profit of £387. I followed this up with my final trade in the next race, the 15:50, at Wolverhampton, where I laid Shrewd Dude for £153 @ 4.80 whilst being overtaken by the Favourite Global Traffic to round my good day off with a further £153 profit. In total I finished the day with a profit of £757.

With no football on tv tonight my attention was caught by the trading on the new Glasgow Rangers Manager. After the very early departure of Paul Le Guen, the shortest serving manager for the club. The bookies favourite for the position at present is Walter Smith.  I like Walter a lot as most Rangers and now Scotland supporters do. My own personal opinion, for what it is worth, is that Walter will not be taking over the reigns again. I can not see him wanting to, or being allowed to, leave his Scotland job when he has done such a good job for the SFA. There is a lot of talk about Ally McCoist being involved, but I think he realises he is doing very well where he is with several part time jobs in the media and with the SFA.  I would like to see Terry Butcher come back to the club, but that will probably not happen either. Anyway I have laid Walter Smith for £300 with the view of backing him when the price gets up to 3.00. Wish me luck.

Wednesday 3rd January 2007

I had a dual role today and racing had to take a back seat as alongside being a sports trader I was also the proud father of my 6 year old daughter, Zoe, on her birthday. Zoe had invited her best 10 friends for a party and I had to do most of the preparation and organisation of the party.

I only managed to trade in 4 races and my first was the 12:20 at Wetherby, where I backed All For Luck for £50 @ 1.10, whilst well in the lead and in the last furlong, to give me a profit of £5. My next trade was in the 13:15 at Kempton. Here I backed Earl Kraul for £135 @ 1.25 just after he had swept to the lead with one furlong to go, to net me another £34 profit.

My third racing trade of the day was in the 13:25 at Wetherby and here I laid Ellway Prospect for £3 @ 20.00 with two hurdles to jump when being ridden hard to stay in the race. I also backed the winner, Smoothly Does It, for £100 @ 1.01 just before the line to give me a £4 profit. My last race of the day was the 14:30 at Wetherby where I backed Tabora for £135 @ 1.35 with two furlongs to go and when well in the lead. I did lay off @ 1.12 to net me a profit of £31. So I had finished my very short racing day with a profit of £74.

Tonights televised football match was the game between Grays Athletic and Gravesend of the Nationwide Conference League. I backed the under 2.5 goals market for £200 @ 1.80 just before kick off. I then started to lay off in £25 lots from 1.68 down to my 7th lot of £25 @ 1.27 just before the 1st goal was scored in the 41st minute. So I now had a liability of £25 and backed the unders again for £195 @ 1.74 as soon as the market was reformed. I laid my first £120 off at 1.62 and then laid off in £25 lots from 1.53 down to 1.30. I then started to green up with lays at 1.25,1.21,1.16 and 1.10 to leave me with a profit of £87 whatever the result. I also had a little dabble in the correct score and backed the 1 - 0 scoreline for £127 @ 1.21 with four minutes on the clock. I managed to lay off £122 @ 1.16 within two minutes and then the second goal came to leave me with my only loss on the day of £5. The total result for the match was therefore a profit of £82 and this left me with a profit from all trading on the day of £155.

I have now had over 10,000 visitors to this blog since I started it back on the 13th November 2006. I would like to thank everyone that has visited and hope that you have managed to gain something from my daily ramblings. I do have some very regular readers and they come from at least 25 countries all over the World, as you can see by clicking on the visitor location map, on the right-hand column of the blog. I have tried to make this blog as interesting as possible but am aware that on my quieter days it can read a little boring, so if you have any suggestions for added content or new links that could make this a better experience please just send me a comment and I will try to include your ideas.

I have achieved what I set out to do with this blog, which was to try and build a group of good friends and colleagues that have a place to interact with like minded people and have the ability to bounce ideas off each other. For this I am very grateful.

Tuesday 2nd January 2006

The Sports Trader is in much better humour today as at 9:30 a local ex-Sky engineer turned up and pointed my dish in the right direction and he charged me less than Sky wanted to. So it was business as usual today.

My first trade of any significance was in the 12:50 at Southwell, where I managed to back Charlie Delta for £97 @ 2.20 with a furlong to go and with him just in front to give me a profit of £117. I then had three races with small trades resulting in a small loss.

In the 14:45 at Ayr I backed Letham Air for £60 @ 1.30 when well in the lead an with the race at his mercy. However his stamina just seemed to give way on the run in and I ended up losing my £60. I then had another three very small profitable trades.

Next up was the 15:45 at Ayr, and here I laid Sea Laughter for £13 @ 12.50 when a good 10 lengths behind the eventual winner and in the final furlong. I also backed the winner, Em's Royalty, for £1000 @ 1.01 just before the finishing line to net me a total profit of £26 in the race. That was it for me today as I had to look after the children myself all afternoon so it was a case of just snatching a few minutes away from time to time. I ended up with a days racing profit of £78.

Tonight's live match on Sky was the Aston Villa v Chelsea game. I backed the under 2.5 goal market for £100 @ 1.93 before kick off. I waited for the price to drop to 1.82 before laying off £25. then a further £25 @ 1.73, £25 @ 1.63 and the final £25 at 1.52. this was finished well before half time. In the second half I just watched the market for any decent opportunity to make a few more £'s. I decided to trade on the under 1.5 goal market with 15 minutes to go. I backed the unders for £130 @ 1.35 and laid off £96 @ 1.14 five minutes later. I put up a lay of £34 to trade out @ 1.05 but cancelled before it was taken as the game was nearing the end and it would have been pretty unlikely that more than one goal would be scored.  I also had a small trade on the match result market with a back of the draw for £198 @ 1.20 with 3 minutes on the clock, which I laid off @ 1.16 within 40 seconds. I then backed the draw again for £105 @ 1.05 in the final minute of injury time and laid off @ 1.01. In total I made £70 on the match. To leave me with a profit on the day of £147.

I also downloaded the most recent Sports Traders Workstation (STW) today. I am intending to get to grips with this excellent bit of software over the next few weeks. Many readers of this blog advise me that if I can make money without using software, I will make a good deal more when using it, so I will give it a go. In particular I would like to get to grips with the IRIS software which you can only use along with the STW. If you would like to see IRIS in action just click on this link to view a demo of a race at Newbury along with commentary.

Monday 1st January 2007

The Sports Trader has very little to report today due to the fact that I had no Sky TV today. I rang Sky last night to report the problem and was told that they would not except any request for engineers visits until the storm had calmed down. So I rang at 8:30 this morning and was initially told that I could get an engineer to visit my home on the 9th of February........2007, just in case you where wondering. You can probably work out exactly where I told them they could put their Sky service. Apparently Sky need to send a special heights team to realign my satellite dish aerial. Now I think Sky engineers must be a right bunch of nancy's as I live in a bungalow. I explained this to the customer services desk and was then offered a date of the 4th of January 2007. A lot better but would still mean that I would miss 3 to 4 days of work. So I rang a few local sky engineers, on New Years Day, and therefore not expecting to speak to anyone. I left a couple of messages and by 10:30 a very nice man called me and said he will be with me by 9:00 on Tuesday 2nd Jan. That's pretty good service especially in Scotland at New Year.

My trading was limited to the Channel 4 coverage of  a few races at Cheltenham, Exeter and Catterick. I did watch the price movements on races where I had no TV coverage and I did have a couple of trades, just to see if it was possible. It's not for me, but I know some people do trade this way.  I will not bore you with my trades as they where all pretty small and I ended the race day with a small loss of £12.

I then looked at the Portmouth v Spurs match statistics and decided I would trade a little even though I did not have live pictures. I missed the whole of the first half and started trading with the score at 1 - 1 by backing the under 2.5 goals for £80 @ 1.90 and a further £20 @ 1.73. I held on until the price had fallen to 1.50 before laying off £40 and another £40 @ 1.40. Towards the end of the match I backed the unders for £26 @ 1.22 and then laid off £3 @ 1.14. That is all I did but it did leave me with a profit of £55 for the match. That left me with a profit of £44 on the Day.

I had been looking forward to the PDC World Darts Final tonight, but of course, missed it due to the Sky problem. I did follow the match via The Sporting Life website. It looks like I missed one hell of a game of darts and well done Barney.